2004 Nissan Altima
Problems, recalls and owner-reported issues
Engine and engine cooling is the leading concern among 276 owner complaints filed for this model year. This is the 15th highest complaint count among 26 Altima model years with reports.
Of the 2004 reports, 14 involved a crash and 3 involved a fire. 11 people were injured.
What owners report most often
Recalls and investigations
Exterior lighting, headlightsSep 14, 2007
CERTAIN EAGLE EYES HEADLAMP ASSEMBLIES, P/NOS. DS517-B001L AND DS517-B001R, SOLD FOR USE AS REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR THE ABOVE LISTED PASSENGER VEHICLES. THE OPTICEL SURFACE OF THE REFLECTOR IS CORRODED INHIBITING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE UPPER AND LOWER BEAMS WHICH FAILS TO CONFORM TO THE PHOTOMETRIC REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 108, LAMPS, REFLECTIVE DEVICES, AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT.
DECREASED LIGHTING VISIBILITY MAY RESULT IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
EAGLE EYES WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND OFFER REIMBURSEMENT FOR ANY NONCOMPLIANT HEADLIGHTS. THE RECALL BEGAN ON DECEMBER 11, 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT EAGLE EYES AT 1-800-568-1098.
Campaign 07E074000 on NHTSA.gov
Exterior lighting, headlightsAug 21, 2007
CERTAIN ANZO AFTERMARKET HEADLIGHTS, P/N 02-AZ-NA02-B-A, SOLD FOR USE ON 2002-2004 NISSAN ALTIMA VEHICLES. DURING PRODUCTION THE LAMP HOUSING SHAPE DEFORMED DISTORTING THE ASSEMBLY ANGLE OF THE REFLECTOR AND INFLUENCED THE AIMING POSITION. THESE HEADLAMPS FAIL TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 108, LAMPS, REFLECTIVE DEVICES, AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT.
DECREASED LIGHTING VISIBILITY MAY RESULT IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
ANZO WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND OFFER A FULL REFUND FOR THE NONCOMPLIANT LAMPS. THE RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 10, 2007. OWNERS CAN CONTACT ANZO AT 909-628-1440.
Campaign 07E063000 on NHTSA.gov
Exterior lighting, headlightsJul 25, 2007
CERTAIN MAXZONE HEADLIGHT ASSEMBLIES, DEPO BRAND, P/NOS. 315-1145L-AS AND 315-1145R-AS, SOLD FOR USE AS AFTERMARKET EQUIPMENT FOR THE ABOVE LISTED PASSENGER VEHICLES. DURING PRODUCTION THE LAMP REFLECTOR SHAPE DEFORMED CHANGING THE SHAPE OF THE OPTIC SURFACE. THIS WILL CHANGE THE OPPOSITE POSITION OF LOW BEAM AND HIGH BEAM OPTICSAND CHANGE THE ANGLE OF INCIDENCE AND ILLUMATED LOCATION WHICH FAILS TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 108, LAMPS, REFLECTIVE DEVICES, AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT.
DECREASED LIGHTING VISIBILITY MAY RESULT IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
MAXZONE WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND OFFER REIMBURSEMENT FOR ANY NONCOMPLIANT HEADLIGHTS. THE RECALL BEGAN ON JULY 16, 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT MAXZONE AT 909-822-3288.
Campaign 07E054000 on NHTSA.gov
Engine and engine coolingJul 7, 2006
ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH A 2.5L ENGINE, THE CRANK ANGLE SENSOR IS AFFECTED BY TEMPERATURE VARIATIONS. UNDER CERTAIN DRIVING CONDITIONS, THESE VARIATIONS IN TEMPERATURE CAN BE LARGE ENOUGH TO CAUSE A BRIEF INTERRUPTION IN THE SIGNAL OUTPUT FROM THE SENSOR.
IF THE INTERRUPTION IN THE SIGNAL FROM THE SENSOR IS SO BRIEF THAT THE ELECTRONIC CONTROL MODULE (ECM) LOGIC DOES NOT HAVE TIME TO DIAGNOSE THE CONDITION, THE ENGINE MAY STOP RUNNING WITHOUT WARNING WHILE THE VEHICLE IS DRIVEN AT A LOW SPEED INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE ECM FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON AUGUST 21, 2006. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NISSAN AT 1-800-647-7261.
Campaign 06V242000 on NHTSA.gov
Exterior lighting, headlightsMar 13, 2006
CERTAIN ANZO COMBINATION HEADLAMP ASSEMBLIES SOLD AS REPLACEMENT LAMPS FOR USE ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES. SOME COMBINATION LAMPS ARE NOT EQUIPPED WITH AMBER SIDE REFLECTORS WHICH FAIL TO CONFORM TO FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 108, "LAMPS, REFLECTIVE DEVICES, AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT."
WITHOUT THE AMBER REFLECTORS, THE VEHICLE WILL BE POORLY ILLUMINATED, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A VEHICLE CRASH.
ANZO WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPLACE THE HEADLAMPS FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN MAY 9, 2006. OWNERS MAY CONTACT ANZO USA AT 909-468-3688.
Campaign 06E023000 on NHTSA.gov
Representative owner complaints: structure
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Structure, Jan 3, 2014
RUSTING TO FLOOR BOARDS ON BOTH THE PASSENGER AND DRIVERS SIDE. APPROXIMATELY 6 INCH WIDE HOLE IN FLOOR BOARD ON PASSENGER SIDE. I FEEL THAT THIS IS A BIG SAFETY ISSUE WHICH FROM OTHER NUMEROUS POSTINGS ON THE INTERNET IS A PROBLEM WITH NISSAN'S FROM 2002 TO 2007. *TR
Structure, Oct 30, 2013
THREE OF THE FOUR EXTERIOR CAR-DOOR HANDLES HAVE BROKEN OFF IN THE PAST YEAR, INCLUDING TWO IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS. I'VE NOTICED THAT OTHER ALTIMA'S HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE EXTERIOR DOOR HANDLES. A TOW-TRUCK DRIVER TOLD ME THAT HE SEES THE SAME THING ON OTHER ALTIMA'S THAT HE TOWS ALL OF THE TIME. THESE THINGS SHOULD NOT BREAK. I'VE NOTICED NOW, THAT NISSAN HAS SINCE STARTED USING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF EXTERIOR DOOR HANDLE ON THEIR NEWER MODEL ALTIMA'S IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. NISSAN NEEDS TO ISSUE A RECALL TO CORRECT THE FAULTY EQUIPMENT ON ALL OF THEIR ALTIMA CARS THAT HAVE THESE FAULTY DOOR HANDLES. THE COST TO REPLACE ONE EXTERIOR DOOR HANDLE IS IN EXCESS OF $140, BRINGING THE COST TO REPLACE TO REPLACE ALL FOUR EXTERIOR DOOR HANDLES IN EXCESS OF $560!!!!!!! *TR
Structure, Jul 19, 2013
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2004 NISSAN ALTIMA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE FLOOR BOARDS HAD BECOME CORRODED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED AND THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED. THE VIN WAS NOT AVAILABLE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 95,000. *TR
Structure, Jul 18, 2013
3 OUT OF 4 DOOR HANDLES ON MY 2004 NISSAN ALTIMA HAVE BROKEN OFF IN THE PAST 2 YEARS. I'VE SEEN MANY OTHER ALTIMA'S WITH A SIMILAR SITUATION. EACH OF MY HANDLES SNAPPED RIGHT OFF WITH THE NORMAL FORCE OF OPENING THE DOOR. THERE IS SOMETHING VERY DEFECTIVE WITH HOW THE HANDLES ARE MADE AND/OR ATTACHED TO THE CARS. I'D UNDERSTAND IF ONLY 1 HANDLE BROKE OFF AND I WAS THE ONLY PERSON IT HAPPENED TO BUT WHEN 3 OUT OF 4 BREAK AND I'VE SEEN OVER 20 OTHER CARS IN MY AREA WITH BROKEN HANDLES THEN THERE IS REASON TO BELIEVE THIS IS A MAJOR DEFECT AND SHOULD WARRANT A RECALL BY NISSAN. I'VE CALLED NISSAN DEALERSHIPS, CONSUMER AFFAIRS AND THE MAIN CORPORATE OFFICE BUT THEY REFUSE TO HELP ME. THE CONSUMER AFFAIRS PERSON HUNG UP OF ME WHILE I WAS STILL SPEAKING. THEY ARE UNWILLING TO ASSIST IN ANY MANNER OR EVEN LISTEN TO MY COMPLAINT. *TR
Structure, May 6, 2013
HAD OIL CHANGE. WHILE ON THE LIFT,THE MECHANIC SHOWED ME THAT THE UNDERBODY UNDER THE PASSENGER SEAT WAS ROTTED. WENT ON LINE AND FOUND PAGES OF PEOPLE REPORTING THE SAME PROBLEM. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A DEFECT AND SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT. *TR
Structure, Apr 2, 2013
DRIVER AND PASSENGER FLOORBOARDS ARE COMPLETELY RUSTED AND WILL NEED TO GET REPAIRED. IT'S VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN EASILY BREAK THRU IT AND INJURE THEMSELVES. I BELIEVE IS A MANUFACTURE DEFECT AND NISSAN SHOULD DO A RECALL ON THIS CAR BEFORE SOMEONE GET HURT. I BOUGHT THIS CAR BRAND NEW AND IT SHOULDN'T GET THIS RUSTED OUT IN ONLY 9 YEARS. *TR
Structure, Mar 18, 2013
THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR PAN HAS STARTED TO RUST COMPLETELY OUT. THE FLOOR PAN IS STARTING TO FALL OUT AND IS A SAFETY ISSUE. IF A PASSENGER WERE TO PUT TOO MUCH WEIGHT ON THE FLOOR, THEIR FOOT WOULD FALL THROUGH. THEM FALLING THROUGH COULD RESULT IN THEM CONTACTING THE ROAD SURFACE WHILE THE CAR IS IN MOTION OR RECEIVING CUTS TO THEIR LEG FROM THE RUST. THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM ON THIS GENERATION OF ALTIMA AND NO RECALL HAS BEEN ISSUED. *TR
Structure, Jan 1, 2013
MY WIFE'S 2004 NISSAN ALTIMA FLOOR BOARD ON PASSENGER SIDE IS ROTTED OUT. TOOK THE CAR TO NISSAN DEALER WERE WE BOUGHT THE CAR AND THE THE MANAGER FROM THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT SAID THAT A JACK MADE THE PROBLEM. NOT TRUE A LOT OF NISSAN ALTIMA THIS YEAR AND OLDER HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. THE CAR HAD 75000 MILES ON IT AND THE HOLE WAS THE SIZE OF A BASEBALL NOW IT'S ABOUT OVER A FOOT LONG BY A FOOT WIDE. WHAT CAN I DO TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM. THERE SHOULD BE A RECALL FOR THIS MAJOR PROBLEM. *TR
Structure, Nov 1, 2012
THE FLOOR OF MY NISSAN ALTIMA IS RUSTING OUT. COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE. *TR
Structure, Oct 21, 2012
WHILE TAKING MY CAR IN FOR SERVICE (@ DEALER) DUE TO ADDRESS A CHECK ENGINE LIGHT (CATALYTIC CONVERTER), THE SERVICE ADVISOR TOOK ME OUT TO MY CAR TO POINT OUT 2 LARGE RUST AREAS - 1 EACH ON THE DRIVER/PASSENGER FLOOR BOARDS. THE ENTIRE REST OF THE CAR UNDERCARRIAGE HAS PRACTICALLY ZERO RUST. THE CAR WAS DEALER MAINTAINED FOR THE FIRST 5 YEARS AND OFF AND ON FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT ALWAYS WITH REGULAR MAINTENANCE (OIL CHANGES, COOLANT/TRANSMISSION FLUSHES, ETC.) AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, I USED THE COMPLIMENTARY VEHICLE INSPECTION - WHICH DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT RUST, BUT IT HAD TO BE OBVIOUS. RUST LIKE THAT DOES NOT JUST APPEAR OVER NIGHT. I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT I WAS NOT ADVISED OF THIS SOONER - IN FACT IT WAS NOT POINTED OUT AT A DEALER INSPECTION JUST 3 MONTHS EARLIER. SINCE I DO NOT PERFORM THE CAR MAINTENANCE I WOULD HAVE NO OTHER WAY OF NOTICING, UNLESS I SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED SOME KIND OF RUST INSPECTION -- OR ASKED TO GO LOOK AT MY VEHICLE EVERY TIME IT WAS IN FOR AN OIL CHANGE OR OTHER MAINTENANCE. READING THROUGH THE COMPLAINTS ON THIS BOARD AND THE INTERNET IN GENERAL, I'VE COME TO FIND OUT THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM -- SEEMINGLY ATTRIBUTED TO A FAULTY DESIGN RELATED TO A DRAIN PLUG. WHEN THERE IS PRACTICALLY ZERO RUST ELSEWHERE, YOU CANNOT CLAIM THIS TO BE THE FAULT OF THE OWNER. I WAS NOT PLANNING ON GETTING RID OF THIS CAR FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO, BUT NOW AM FORCED TO START LOOKING. THE REPAIR COST IS NOT WORTH THE VALUE OF THE CAR (BASED ON MILEAGE). WHILE I WOULD HAVE ONCE PURCHASED A NEW NISSAN WITH NO HESITATION (BASED ON MY ALTIMA'S RELIABILITY), I NOW AM FORCED TO RECONSIDER. *TR
Structure, Electronic stability control (ESC), Engine, Aug 30, 2012
FIRST OF ALL I NOTICED ON 06/07/11 THAT MY 2004 NISSAN ALTIMA3.5 SE PASSENGER FLOOR BOARD HAS A BIG RUST SPOT WHICH IS ABOUT 11 INCHES BY 7 INCHES, BUT THE REST OF THE FLOOR BOARD IS IN PRISTINE CONDITION. HUH. ALSO THE TIMING TENSION CHAIN TENSIONER WENT BAD ON 05/01/12, WITH 86000 MILES AND HAD TO BE REPAIRED WHICH WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR, AND SAW THAT THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM ON THE ALTIMA 3.5 L ENGINE. HMMMM. AND THEN, THE CAR KEPT ON STALLING OUT GOING DOWN THE ROAD, WAS TOLD IT WAS THE CAM SHAFT SENSORS, AND HAD TO HAVE THEM REPLACED, NOW MY SERVICE ENGINE LIGHT WILL NOT GO OFF, BUT ENGINE IS RUNNING GOOD NOW. I BOUGHT A NEW 2012 ALTIMA 3.5 SL BACK IN DECEMBER 2011, KEPT THE 04 ALTIMA, MOST OF THESE PROBLEMS HAPPENED FIVE MONTHS AFTER BUYING THE 2012 DON'T THINK. *TR
Structure, Jul 19, 2012
THE DRIVES SIDE AND PASSENGER SIDE FRONT FLOOR IS ROTTED . THERE IS NO FLOOR LEFT IN CAR. THIS CAR WAS GARAGED SENSE NEW. NISSAN KNOW ABOUT THIS PROBLEM , BUT HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM. WHEN THE CAR WAS NEW THEY REPLACE SUB-FRAME BECAUSE OF ROT. *TR
Structure, Dec 16, 2011
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2004 NISSAN ALTIMA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER FOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE WHEN THE DEALER ADVISED THAT THERE WAS A HOLE IN THE PASSENGER SIDE FLOOR BOARD AND CORROSION ON THE DRIVER SIDE FLOOR BOARDS. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 115,615 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 115,815.
Structure, Dec 1, 2011
I AM THE SOLE OWNER OF A 2004 NISSAN ALTIMA. I HAVE ONLY SERVICED THIS CAR AT THE NISSAN DEALERSHIP. UPON A ROUTINE OIL CHANGE IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE PASSENGER FLOORBOARD HAD A 12" X 24" AREA THAT WAS RUSTED THROUGH. THE REST OF THE UNDER CARRIAGE WAS IN PERFECT SHAPE (FOR NOW). I THOUGHT THIS RATHER ODD. THIS CAR ONLY HAS 68,305 MILES ON IT. IT IS CARED FOR WITH DELUXE WASHING. IT IS KEPT IN A GARAGE. THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. I CALLED MY DEALERSHIP. I WAS TOLD THIS IS NOT UNDER WARRANTY AND THAT THEY HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE. THEY HAD NISSAN REPS IN TO CHECK OUT OTHER CARS IN THE RECENT PAST. NOTES WERE MADE. NO ACTION. I REPORTED MY SITUATION TO THE NISSAN CONSUMER AFFAIRS. MY CASE WAS KICKED UP TO A SECOND REP. HE WILL BE CONTACTING MY DEALERSHIP TO SEE WHAT CAN BE "WORKED OUT". I ASKED IF THEY HAD OTHER COMPLAINTS LIKE THIS, YES THEY HAD. HE SAID IF MORE PEOPLE FILE COMPLAINTS THERE COULD BE A RECALL. FILE YOUR COMPLAINT! SPREAD THE WORD! *TR
Structure, Sep 30, 2011
EXCESSIVE PREMATURE RUST ON DRIVER AND FRONT PASSENGER FLOOR PAN. BOTH ARE ABOUT 5"X10" IN SIZE AND CONSISTENT WITH MOST OTHER NISSAN ALTIMA RUST COMPLAINTS FOR CARS OF SIMILAR AGE. SINCE NOTICING THE RUST I HAVE LOOKED AT DOZENS OF SIMILAR NISSAN ALTIMAS IN STORE PARKING LOTS ALL WITH THE SAME PREMATURE RUST PATTERN. IT APPEARS THAT NISSAN DESIGNED THE FLOOR PANS WITH A DRAIN PLUG WHICH ALLOWS WATER PENETRATION ABOVE THE FLOOR PAN WHERE IT CAUSES RUST. THE REST OF THE FLOOR PAN ON THE ENTIRE VEHICLE IS IN EXCEPTIONALLY PRISTINE SHAPE, BUT DUE TO THE IMPROPERLY DESIGNED/INSTALLED FLOOR PLUGS THE RUST HAS CAUSED HOLES TO DEVELOP IN THE FLOOR PAN AROUND THE FRONT PASSENGER COMPARTMENT. UPON NOTICING THE RUST, I TALKED WITH A LOCAL MECHANIC WHO STATED HE HASN'T SEEN A NISSAN ALTIMA OF SIMILAR AGE IN HIS SHOP THAT DID NOT HAVE IDENTICAL RUST PATTERNS IN THE SAME SPOT. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A MANUFACTURERS DEFECT AND THE RUST IN THIS ONE AREA AROUND THE DRAIN PLUGS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE LACK OF RUST EVERYWHERE ELSE. HOLES IN FLOORBOARDS OF LATE MODEL CARS IS A HUGE SAFETY CONCERN BECAUSE MOST CONSUMERS WOULD NEVER SUSPECT THIS WOULD BE AN ISSUE ON LATE MODEL CARS WHICH ARE OTHERWISE NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNS OF RUST. HOLES IN THE FLOORBOARDS CAN ALLOW PENETRATION OF DEADLY EXHAUST FUMES, ESPECIALLY IN STOP AND GO TYPE DRIVING AS WELL AS PERSONAL SAFETY RISK AS THIS WEAKENS THE OVERALL STRENGTH OF THE UNIBODY DESIGN IN A CRASH. ALSO IF UNDETECTED LONG ENOUGH IT CAN CAUSE SEATS TO LOOSEN AND FALL FROM THEIR MOUNTS. I STRONGLY URGE THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD TO ISSUE AN IMMEDIATE RECALL SINCE IT APPEARS THE MANUFACTURER IS UNWILLING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE RISK IT IS PUTTING ON CONSUMERS. *TR
Structure, Apr 7, 2011
I HAVE A 2004 NISSAN ALTIMA THAT I TAKE GOOD CARE OF. I DON'T DRIVE IT IN THE WINTER SO IT DOESN'T SEE MUCH SALT.I RECENTLY NOTICED RUST HOLES IN BOTH MY DRIVERS SIDE AND PASSENGERS SIDE FLOORBOARDS WHICH IS RIDICULOUS AND UNACCEPTABLE CONSIDERING THE CAR IS BARELY SEVEN YEARS OLD AND SO WELL TAKEN CARE OF.MY OPINION IS THAT THE METAL USED IS FAR TOO THIN AND THAT IT IS A FLAWED DESIGN.NISSAN SHOULD RECALL ALL OF THESE ALTIMAS WITH THIS PROBLEM AND MAKE IT RIGHT.I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER NISSAN AGAIN... *TR
Structure, Dec 13, 2010
RUSTED FLOOR BOARDS IN PASSENGER AND DRIVER SIDE. IN RESEARCHING THIS PROBLEM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A DEFECT IN THE DESIGN OF 2001-2005 NISSAN ALTIMA FLOOR BOARDS DUE TO A DRAINAGE PLUG THAT WAS NOT PROPERLY SEALED. CONTACTED NISSAN NORTH AMERICA AND HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING BACK AFTER THEY SAID I WOULD GET A CALL BACK. THE RUSTED OUT FLOOR PANS CAN BECOME A HAZARD IF NOT TAKEN CARE OF, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO SEE THEM THEN YOU WILL NOT NO THEY ARE THERE. MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I HAVE FOUND; IT SEEMS THAT THE FLOOR BOARDS HAVE RUSTED ALL THEY WAY THROUGH TO THE MAIN CABIN. I AM AFRAID THAT IF PEOPLE NEVER CHECK FOR THIS PROBLEM, IT WILL PROGRESSIVELY RUST THROUGH AND AFFECT YOUR SEATS AND EVERYTHING THAT IS THERE. LOOKS LIKE NISSAN NORTH AMERICA WILL NOT TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM! THEY DON'T CARE! *TR