2005 Honda Pilot

Problems, recalls and owner-reported issues

Power train is the leading concern among 679 owner complaints filed for this model year. This is the 5th highest complaint count among 23 Pilot model years with reports.

Complaints by model year
  1. 679

Of the 2005 reports, 42 involved a crash and 8 involved a fire. 46 people were injured and 2 people died.

Primary concernPower train176 reports · 26% of complaints
Owner complaints679Filed with NHTSA
Recall relationship15 safety recallsNHTSA campaign records

What owners report most often

  1. Power train176
  2. Service brakes136
  3. Air bags120
  4. Electronic stability control (ESC)96
  5. Electrical system57
  6. Engine48
  7. Vehicle speed control46
  8. Engine and engine cooling43

Recalls and investigations

  1. Vehicle speed control, accelerator pedalOct 10, 2019

    Dorman Products, Inc. (Dorman) is recalling certain Accelerator Pedal Assemblies part numbers 699-114 and 825-5029-1, sold as replacement parts for 2003-2006 Acura MDX, 2004-2008 Acura TL and TSX, 2003-2007 Honda Accord, 2005-2006 Honda CR-V, 2007-2011 Honda Element, 2005-2008 Honda Pilot and 2006-2014 Honda Ridgeline vehicles. The rotating portion of the accelerator pedal assembly may bind. As such, these vehicles fail to comply with the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) number 124, "Accelerator Control Systems."

    If the accelerator pedal binds, the engine may not quickly return to idle after the pedal is no longer pressed, increasing the risk of a crash.

    Dorman will notify owners, and qualified service facilities will replace the affected accelerator pedal assemblies, free of charge. The recall began December 9, 2019. Owners may contact Dorman customer service at 1-800-523-2492, using option 5. Dorman's number for this recall is AS1019XXXX.

    Campaign 19E068000 on NHTSA.gov

  2. Air bags, frontal, passenger side, inflator moduleJun 27, 2019

    Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) is recalling certain 2003-2006 Acura MDX, 2005-2012 RL, 2003-2007 Honda Accord, 2001-2005 Civic, 2003-2005 Civic Hybrid, 2001-2005 Civic GX NGV, 2002-2006 CR-V, 2003-2011 Element, 2007-2008 Fit, 2002-2004 Odyssey, 2003-2008 Pilot, and 2006-2014 Ridgeline vehicles. The vehicles are equipped with passenger frontal air bag inflators assembled as a recall remedy part or replacement service part, that may explode due to propellant degradation occurring after long-term exposure to high absolute humidity, temperature and temperature cycling.

    An inflator explosion may result in sharp metal fragments striking the driver or other occupants resulting in serious injury or death.

    Honda will notify owners, and dealers will replace the passenger frontal airbag inflator, free of charge. The recall began August 12, 2019. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-888-234-2138. Honda's numbers for this recall are E5D and X5C.

    Campaign 19V501000 on NHTSA.gov

  3. Air bags, frontal, driver side, inflator moduleJun 27, 2019

    Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) is recalling certain 2003 Acura 3.2CL, 2002-2003 3.2TL, 2003-2006 MDX, 2001-2007 Honda Accord, 2001-2005 Civic, 2003-2005 Civic Hybrid, 2001-2005 Civic GX NGV, 2002-2006 CR-V, 2003-2011 Element, 2002-2004 Odyssey, 2003-2008 Pilot and 2006 Ridgeline vehicles. These vehicles are equipped with driver frontal air bag inflators assembled as a recall remedy part or replacement service part, that may explode due to propellant degradation occurring after long-term exposure to high absolute humidity, temperature and temperature cycling.

    An inflator explosion may result in sharp metal fragments striking the driver or other occupants resulting in serious injury or death.

    Honda will notify owners, and dealers will replace the driver frontal air bag inflator, free of charge. The recall began August 12, 2019. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-888-234-2138. Honda's numbers for this recall are Q5A and Y58.

    Campaign 19V499000 on NHTSA.gov

  4. Air bags, frontal, driver side, inflator moduleMar 6, 2019

    Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) is recalling specific 2003 Acura 3.2CL, 2013-2016 ILX, 2013-2014 ILX Hybrid, 2003-2006 MDX, 2007-2016 RDX, 2002-2003 3.2TL, 2004-2006, and 2009-2014 TL, 2010-2013 ZDX and 2001-2007 and 2009 Honda Accord, 2001-2005 Civic, 2003-2005 Civic Hybrid, 2001-2005 Civic GX NGV, 2002-2007 and 2010-2011 CR-V, 2003-2011 Element, 2007 Fit, 2002-2004 Odyssey, 2003-2008 Pilot, and 2006-2014 Ridgeline vehicles. The affected vehicles received a replacement driver air bag inflator as part of a previous Takata inflator recall remedy or a replacement driver air bag module containing the same inflator type as a service part. Due to a manufacturing error, in the event of a crash necessitating deployment of the driver frontal air bag, these inflators may explode.

    An explosion of an inflator within the driver frontal air bag module may result in sharp metal fragments striking the driver, front seat passenger or other occupants resulting in serious injury or death.

    Honda will notify owners, and dealers will replace the driver's air bag inflator with an alternate inflator, free of charge. The recall began April 10, 2019. Honda owners may contact customer service at 1-888-234-2138. Honda's number for this recall is O41. Acura owners may contact customer service at 1-888-234-2138. Acura's number for this recall is U40.

    Campaign 19V182000 on NHTSA.gov

  5. Air bags, frontal, passenger side, inflator moduleApr 26, 2018

    Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) is recalling certain 2003-2012 Honda Accord and Pilot, 2010 Accord Crosstour, 2001-2011 Civic, 2002-2011 CR-V, 2003-2004, 2006-2008 and 2011 Element, 2007 and 2009-2013 Fit, 2010-2012 Insight, 2002-2004 Odyssey, and 2012 Ridgeline vehicles. The front passenger air bag may have been installed incorrectly during replacement.

    An incorrectly installed air bag may deploy improperly in the event of a crash, increasing the risk of injury.

    Honda will notify owners, and dealers will inspect and, if necessary, replace the passenger frontal air bag module assembly, free of charge. The recall began June 22, 2018. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-888-234-2138. Honda's numbers for this recall are K1P, and M1O.

    Campaign 18V268000 on NHTSA.gov

  6. Air bags, frontal, passenger side, inflator moduleJan 10, 2017

    Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) is recalling certain 2005-2006 Acura MDX and Honda CR-V vehicles, 2005-2011 Honda Element vehicles, 2005-2012 Acura RL vehicles, 2006-2012 Honda Ridgeline vehicles, 2007-2008 Honda Fit vehicles and 2005-2008 Honda Pilot vehicles originally sold, or ever registered, in Alabama, California, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands (Saipan), and the U.S. Virgin Islands, or "Zone A." Additionally, if not included in "Zone A" above, Honda is recalling certain 2005-2006 Acura MDX and Honda CR-V vehicles, 2005-2009 Acura RL and Honda Element vehicles, 2007-2008 Honda Fit vehicles, 2005-2008 Honda Pilot vehicles and 2006-2009 Honda Ridgeline vehicles originally sold, or ever registered, in Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia, or "Zone B." Additionally, if not included in "Zone A" or "Zone B" above, Honda is recalling certain 2005-2006 Acura MDX and Honda CR-V vehicles, 2005-2008 Acura RL, Honda Element and Honda Pilot vehicles, 2007-2008 Honda Fit vehicles and 2006-2008 Honda Ridgeline vehicles originally sold, or ever registered in Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. These vehicles are equipped with certain air bag inflators assembled as part of the passenger frontal air bag modules used as original equipment or replacement equipment. In the event of a crash necessitating deployment of the front air bags, these inflators may rupture due to propellant degradation occurring after long-term exposure to absolute humidity and temperature cycling.

    An inflator rupture may result in metal fragments striking the vehicle occupants resulting in serious injury or death.

    Honda will notify owners, and dealers will replace the front passenger air bag inflator, free of charge. The recall bagan March 2017. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-888-234-2138. Honda's numbers for this recall are KD9 and KE0.

    Campaign 17V029000 on NHTSA.gov

  7. Air bags, frontal, passenger side, inflator moduleMay 23, 2016

    Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) is recalling certain model year 2003-2006 Acura MDX, 2005-2011 Acura RL, 2005-2006 Honda CR-V, 2003-2011 Element, 2007-2008 Fit, 2003-2008 Pilot, 2002-2004 Odyssey, and 2006-2011 Ridgeline vehicles originally sold, or that have ever been registered, in Alabama, California, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands (Saipan), and the U.S. Virgin Islands, or "Zone A." Additionally, unless included in "Zone A" above, Honda is recalling certain model year 2003-2006 Acura MDX, 2005-2008 Acura RL, 2005-2006 Honda CR-V, 2003-2008 Element, 2007-2008 Fit, 2003-2008 Pilot, 2002-2004 Odyssey, and 2006-2008 Ridgeline vehicles originally sold, or that have ever been registered, in Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia, or "Zone B." Lastly, unless included in "Zone A" or "Zone B" above, Honda is recalling model year 2002-2004 Odyssey and model year 2003-2004 Acura MDX, Honda Element, and Honda Pilot vehicles originally sold, or registered, in Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. These vehicles are equipped with certain air bag inflators assembled as part of the passenger frontal air bag modules, and used as original equipment or replacement equipment. In the event of a crash necessitating deployment of the front air bags, these inflators may rupture due to propellant degradation occurring after long-term exposure to absolute humidity and temperature cycling.

    An inflator rupture may result in metal fragments striking the vehicle occupants resulting in serious injury or death.

    Honda will notify owners, and dealers will replace the passenger frontal air bag inflator, free of charge. The recall began June 27, 2016. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-888-234-2138. Honda's numbers for this recall are KA0, KA1, KA2, and KA3.

    Campaign 16V344000 on NHTSA.gov

  8. Air bags, frontal, driver side, inflator moduleMay 28, 2015

    Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) is recalling certain model year 2001-2007 Accord, 2001-2005 Civic, 2001-2004 Honda Civic GX, 2003-2005 Honda Civic Hybrid, 2002-2006 CR-V, 2003-2011 Element, 2002-2004 Odyssey, 2003-2008 Pilot, 2006 Ridgeline, 2003 Acura 3.2CL, 2003-2006 Acura MDX, and 2002-2003 Acura 3.2TL vehicles. The affected vehicles are equipped with a dual-stage driver frontal air bag that may be susceptible to moisture intrusion and other factors, including manufacturing variability that, over time, could cause the inflator to rupture.

    In the event of a crash necessitating deployment of the driver's frontal air bag, the inflator could rupture with metal fragments striking the driver or other occupants resulting in serious injury or death.

    Honda will notify owners, and dealers will replace the driver frontal air bag inflator, free of charge. The recall began on July 1, 2015. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-888-234-2138. Owners may contact Acura customer service at 1-800-382-2238, select option 4. Note: Vehicles that have had their driver frontal air bag replaced previously as part of a recall remedy prior to September 12, 2014 need to have their air bag replaced under this recall as well. Vehicles that, on or after September 12, 2014, received a remedy for a prior driver frontal air bag inflator recall already received an inflator of a different design, and therefore are not included in this recall and do not require additional servicing. Note: This recall fully supersedes recalls 08V-593, 09V-259, 10V-041, 11V-260, 14V-351 and 15V-153. Honda's numbers for this recall are JQ9, JR0, JR1, JR2, JR3, JR4, JR5, JR6, JR7, and JR8.

    Campaign 15V320000 on NHTSA.gov

  9. Air bagsNov 4, 2014

    American Honda Motor Co. (Honda) is recalling certain model year 2001-2005 Honda Civic, 2003-2004 Civic CNG and Element, 2002-2005 CR-V, 2002-2004 Odyssey, 2003-2005 Accord, Pilot, Civic Hybrid, and Acura MDX, 2005 Acura RL and 2006 Honda Ridgeline vehicles originally sold, or ever registered, in geographic locations associated with high absolute humidity. Specifically, vehicles sold, or ever registered, in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Saipan, Guam, and American Samoa are addressed by this recall. Upon deployment of the passenger side frontal air bag, excessive internal pressure may cause the inflator to rupture.

    In the event of a crash necessitating deployment of the passenger’s frontal air bag, the inflator could rupture with metal fragments striking the vehicle occupants potentially resulting in serious injury or death.

    Honda will notify owners, and dealers will replace the passenger side air bag inflator, free of charge. The recall began January 26, 2015. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-800-999-1009.

    Campaign 14V700000 on NHTSA.gov

  10. Air bagsJun 20, 2014

    American Honda Motor Company, Inc.'s (Honda) is conducting a limited regional recall for certain model year 2003-2005 Accord, Civic, CR-V, Pilot and Acura MDX, model year 2003-2004 Odyssey and Element, and model year 2005 Acura RL, and 2006 Honda Ridgeline vehicles originally sold, or ever registered in California, and equipped with Takata-brand air bag inflators. Upon deployment of the passenger side frontal air bag, excessive internal pressure may cause the inflator to rupture.

    In the event of a crash necessitating deployment of the passenger’s frontal air bag, the inflator could rupture with metal fragments striking the vehicle occupants potentially resulting in serious injury or death.

    Honda will notify owners, and dealers will replace the inflators in all affected vehicles, free of charge. The recall is expected to begin during August 2014. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-800-999-1009.

    Campaign 14V353000 on NHTSA.gov

  11. Service brakes, hydraulic, antilock/traction control/electronic limited slip, control unit/moduleMar 14, 2013

    Honda is recalling certain model year 2005 Pilot vehicles manufactured July 29, 2004, through August 29, 2005; model year 2005-2006 Acura MDX vehicles manufactured September 16, 2004, through September 22, 2005; and model year 2005 Acura RL vehicles manufactured March 1, 2004, through June 29, 2005. An electrical capacitor may have been damaged during the manufacturing of the Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) control module causing intermittent, automatic, minor brake application. However, if the driver applies the brakes while the VSA is malfunctioning, the vehicle may come to an abrupt stop. Additionally, due to a loose ground connection, certain model year 2005 Pilots have a VSA system that may apply partial brake force, without the illumination of the brake lights, whether or not the driver is using the brakes.

    Sudden inadvertent braking, especially without illumination of the brake lights, may increase the risk of a vehicle crash.

    Owners will be notified and instructed to take their vehicles to a dealer of their respective brand. The dealer will install a partial wiring harness containing a capacitor for the VSA modulator, free of charge. The affected model year 2005 Pilots will have their ground connection tightened. The recall began on April 22, 2013. Honda owners may contact Honda Automobile Customer Service at 1-800-999-1009, and select option 4 or go to www.recalls.honda.com; Acura owners may contact 1-800-382-2238, and select option 4, or go to www.recalls.acura.com.

    Campaign 13V092000 on NHTSA.gov

  12. Exterior lighting, headlights, switchMar 30, 2012

    HONDA IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2002 THROUGH 2004 CR-V; MODEL YEAR 2003 THROUGH 2005 PILOT; AND MODEL YEAR 2002 AND 2003 CIVIC VEHICLES. IN MARCH 2012, HONDA FILED A DEFECT REPORT TO RECALL CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2002 THROUGH 2004 CR-V AND CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2003 PILOT VEHICLES. IN AUGUST 2012, HONDA INFORMED THE AGENCY THAT IT WAS INCLUDING AN ADDITIONAL 820,789 VEHICLES INCLUDING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2004 AND 2005 PILOTS AND MODEL YEAR 2002 AND 2003 CIVICS. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VEHICLES BEING RECALLED IS NOW 1,375,217. DUE TO TENSION FROM THE COMBINATION SWITCH WIRING HARNESS, WEAR ON THE SURFACE OF THE ELECTRICAL TERMINAL CAN OCCUR, YIELDING COPPER OXIDE, WHICH INCREASES ELECTRICAL RESISTANCE. INCREASED ELECTRICAL RESISTANCE MAY CAUSE THE TERMINAL ENDS TO MELT WITHIN THE WIRING HARNESS CONNECTOR.

    IF THE TERMINAL ENDS MELT WITHIN THE WIRING HARNESS CONNECTOR, THE LOW BEAM HEADLIGHTS MAY BECOME INOPERATIVE, REDUCING DRIVER VISIBILITY AND INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.

    HONDA WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL REPAIR THE LOW BEAM TERMINAL HARNESS OR REPLACE THE LIGHTING SWITCH AS NECESSARY, FREE OF CHARGE. THE ORIGINAL RECALL BEGAN IN APRIL 2012. OWNERS OF VEHICLES INVOLVED IN THE SEPTEMBER 2012 EXPANSION WILL BE NOTIFIED IN SEPTEMBER 2012. OWNERS MAY CONTACT HONDA CUSTOMER SERVICE AT 1-800-999-1009.

    Campaign 12V136000 on NHTSA.gov

  13. Equipment, mechanical, carrier/rackFeb 5, 2008

    HONDA IS RECALLING 2,032 HITCH STYLE BIKE RACKS SOLD AS AFTERMARKET FOR USE ON MY 2003-2007 AND SOME MY 2008 HONDA PILOT, RIDGELINE, AND ACURA MDX VEHICLES. A PINCH BOLT EXISTS BETWEEN THE BIKE ARM BRACKET AND THE UPRIGHT ASSEMBLY OF THE "HITCH" STYLE BICYCLE RACK.

    WHEN MOVING THE BIKE ARM BRACKET TO ITS DOWN POSITION, THIS PINCH BOLT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF CAUSING SEVERE LACERATION OR AMPUTATION TO THE USER'S FINGERTIPS OR HAND.

    OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT THULE AT 800-THULE91 (800-848-5391) TO OBTAIN A FREE REPAIR KIT ALONG WITH REPAIR INSTRUCTIONS OR OWNERS MAY CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009 OR ACURA AT 1-800-382-2238 FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.

    Campaign 08E013000 on NHTSA.gov

  14. Steering, columnFeb 3, 2005

    ON CERTAIN MINIVANS AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES, THE STEERING COLUMN MAY BE INCORRECTLY ASSEMBLED, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF STEERING CONTROL.

    LOSS OF STEERING CONTROL CAN CAUSE A VEHICLE CRASH WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE.

    OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED BY TELEPHONE ON JANUARY 25, 2005, AND ARRANGEMENTS WERE MADE TO HAVE THEIR VEHICLES TOWED TO THEIR DEALERS AND HAVE THE REPAIRS PERFORMED. THE RECALL BEGAN ON JANUARY 25, 2005.

    Campaign 05V039000 on NHTSA.gov

  15. Fuel system, gasoline, storage, tank assemblyNov 18, 2004

    ON CERTAIN SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES, SOME FUEL TANKS WERE IMPROPERLY MANUFACTURED.

    IN A CRASH, THE FUEL TANK COULD BE DAMAGED AND LEAK FUEL. FUEL LEAKAGE, IN THE PRESENCE OF AN IGNITION SOURCE, COULD RESULT IN A FIRE.

    DEALERS REPLACED THE FUEL TANK. ALL OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED BY TELEPHONE ON NOVEMBER 10, 2004.

    Campaign 04V541000 on NHTSA.gov

Representative owner complaints: service brakes

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  1. Air bags, Vehicle speed control, Service brakes, Oct 24, 2025, crash

    The contact owns a 2005 Honda Pilot. The contact stated that shortly after refueling, the vehicle suddenly experienced unintended acceleration, causing the speed to increase to approximately 45 MPH while approaching stopped traffic. While pressing the brake pedal to avoid a collision, the vehicle continued to accelerate and crashed into the rear of a second vehicle. During the air bag deployment, the air was deflated, causing the driver's head to contact the steering wheel. Also, the contact indicated that metal fragments were present during the air bag deployment. The contact sustained a lacerated left wrist and lacerations to the chest area. The driver also sustained contusions and bruised to the head, ankles, and legs, along with neck and back stiffness, which will all require medical treatment. No other injuries were known regarding the second vehicle occupants. A Police Report was taken at the scene, and the vehicle was towed away. The cause of the failures was not determined. The manufacturer was notified of the failures, but no assistance was offered. The local dealer was not contacted. The failure mileage was 150,000.

  2. Steering, Service brakes, Hydraulic, Electronic stability control (ESC), Oct 3, 2025

    The contact owns a 2005 Honda Pilot. The contact stated that while driving 25-35 MPH, the vehicle slowed down unexpectedly, and the brake pedal was hard and slow to respond when depressed. The contact stated that the steering wheel was pulling to the left, and it was difficult to correct the steering wheel. The vehicle was difficult to control. The VSA light was illuminated. There was a triangle with an exclamation mark symbol displayed on the instrument cluster. The vehicle was taken to the local dealer, where it was diagnosed and determined that the VSA module had failed and needed to be replaced. The vehicle was not repaired because the parts were on backorder. The manufacturer was not notified of the failure. The approximate failure mileage was 173,273.

  3. Service brakes, Mar 19, 2021

    IN THE HIGHWAY THE CAR BRAKES FOR NO REASON FOR A MOMENT THAN IT RELEASE

  4. Electrical system, Service brakes, Nov 7, 2020

    2005 PILOT WAS REPAIRED UNDER VSA RECALL IN 2013. AS OF THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AGAIN I EXPERIENCED SAME EXACT VEHICLE SAFETY ISSUES PRIOR TO REPAIR. THIS PAST WEEK WHILE I HAD MY THREE CHILDREN IN THE CAR, WE ALMOST LOST OUR LIVES. A SEMI DRIVER INSTEAD RISKED HIS OWN LIVES TO KEEP FROM SLAMMING IN THE BACK OF US. WE TOOK OUR PILOT TO HONDA DEALERSHIP THAT HAS SERVICED OUR VEHICLE OVER THE YEARS AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE ISSUE AND INSTEAD POINT TO THE SAME THING I AM NOW READING HERE ONLINE. THE DEALERSHIP SERVICE DEPARTMENT STATES IT IS THE YAW SENSOR AS THE ISSUE, NOT FAULTY REPAIR. IT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT PILOT OWNERS ARE NOW ONCE AGAIN ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME ISSUES ALL OVER AGAIN. HOW MANY LIVES WILL BE LOST OR CHANGED FOR THE WORST BEFORE HONDA IS FORCED TO RECKON WITH THIS ISSUE? THIS IS WRONG AND UNACCEPTABLE. THERE ARE OTHER POOR DESIGN FLAWS THAT WE THINK ALSO MAY HAVE COST US SO MUCH MORE MONEY, SUCH AS THE VVT ISSUES. HOWEVER, THE VSA REPAIR ISSUE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE OVERLOOKED AND MUST BE DEALT WITH NOW. SPECIFICALLY, MY EXPERIENCE MOSTLY ON FLAT SURFACES WITH EXCEPTION OF ONE TIME ON A SLIGHT INCLINE AT A STOP LIGHT. BOTH IN TOWN DRIVING AND INTERSATE AND ALL DRY WEATHER CONDITIONS EXCEPT ONE OCCASION. THE VSA LIGHT FLASHED, VEHICLE APPLIED BRAKE AT WITHOUT MY FOOT ON BRAKE PEDAL. MY FOOT WAS ON ACCELERATOR AT THE TIME VEHICLE WAS BEING HARSHLY STOPPED BY THE BRAKES APPLIED. THIS CAUSED THE VEHICLE TO MAKE A BUCKING MOTION OR JERKING MOTION, ALSO I'VE EXPERIENCED THE SLIGHT SWERVE. I WAS DRIVING IN A STRAIGHT DIRECTION ALL OF THE TIMES THIS OCCURRED SINCE THE REPAIR IN 2013. IT DEPENDED ON THE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE AND LENGTH OF TIME THE VEHICLE ACTED UP. EVERYTHING IS JUST AS IT DID PRIOR TO THE REPAIR IN 2013, NOTHING IS ANY DIFFERENT, ALL THE SAME. YET, HONDA WANTS TO SAY I NEED TO COVER REPAIR.

  5. Electrical system, Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Jul 10, 2020

    THE YAW RATE LATERAL ACCELERATION SENSOR IS FAULTY AND SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN HONDA'S 2013 RECALL OF THE VSA. THE VEHICLE HAS THE EXACT SYMPTOMS OF THE VSA RECALL, WHICH WAS FIXED ON MY VEHICLE. I PURCHASED THE CAR LAST YEAR WITH VERY LOW MILES, ONLY DROVE FOR A FEW MONTHS BEFORE IT STARTED HAVING ISSUES. STARTED OUT HAVING THE VSA TRIANGLE LIGHT ON DASH AND LOSING POWER (LIMP MODE) ONLY AFTER COMING OUT OF A TURN AFTER DRIVING VEHICLE FOR AWHILE. INCREASED TO THE POINT WHERE AFTER ROUGHLY 30 MINUTES OF THE VEHICLE RUNNING THE VSA ISSUE WOULD HAPPEN AT LEAST ONCE DURING THE DRIVE. SEVERITY OF THE VSA/LIMP MODE GOT WORSE, NO POWER FOR LONGER AT A TIME AND THE HORRIBLE GRINDING NOISE DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH CABIN. TOOK TO HONDA COMPLAINING OF THESE ISSUES, COULDN'T REPLICATE IT SO NOTHING WAS WRONG. ONE MONTH AGO, MY VEHICLE STARTED HAVING THE UN-COMMANDED BRAKING PROBLEM. DRIVING AT 55 MPH, THE SLIGHTEST TOUCH TO THE BRAKES CAUSES THE VEHICLE TO HARD BRAKE, CAUSING A SWERVE AT LEAST GOING THAT FAST. IT HAS DONE THIS UN-COMMANDED BRAKING MORE THAN ONCE, I HAVE BEEN AFRAID TO DRIVE IT AND AT LEAST GOT IT 30 MINUTES TO MY HONDA DEALER, WHICH I ALSO PURCHASED THE VEHICLE FROM. IT WAS DIAGNOSED WITH THE FAULTY YAW RATE LATERAL ACCELERATION SENSOR. I HAVE ARGUED WITH HONDA FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS OVER THE ISSUE, ULTIMATELY TO BE TOLD THAT IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FINAL RECALL, EVEN THOUGH THE INVESTIGATION NAMES THE YAW SENSOR AS POSSIBLY BEING IMPLICATED IN THE MALFUNCTION. $994 FOR THE SENSOR ALONE. IT IS ABSOLUTELY DANGEROUS AND EVEN THE DEALER RECOMMENDS IT BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY, YET HONDA HAS DECLARED NO FAULT.

  6. Wheels, Service brakes, Mar 3, 2020

    WHILE DRIVING STRAIGHT AT 40 MPH MY RIGHT FRONT BRAKE LOCKED UP. WE CHANGED THE BRAKE CALIPER THINKING IT WAS THE PROBLEM. IT DID NOT FIX THE PROBLEM. LOOKING ONLINE IT SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THE 2005 HONDA PILOT. I SEARCHED AND CALLED HONDA AND MY LOCAL DEALER. THEY SAID THERE WEREN'T ANY RECALLS OR SAFETY BULLETINS.

  7. Service brakes, Jan 22, 2020

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA PILOT. THE CONTACT STATED THE VEHICLE STABILITY ASSIST WARNING LIGHT ILLUMINATED AND REMAINED ILLUMINATED. THE CONTACT WAS UNABLE TO DEACTIVATE THE CONTROL MODULE. THE CONTACT REFERENCED THE FAILURE TO NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 13V092000 (SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC, TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM). THE VEHICLE WAS NOT TAKEN TO A DEALER FOR A DIAGNOSIS OR REPAIRS. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 154,000.

  8. Electrical system, Service brakes, Nov 24, 2019

    THE BRAKES ARE APPLYING RANDOMLY WITHOUT APPLYING PRESSURE ON THE BRAKE PEDAL. THE VSA LIGHT REMAINS ILLUMINATED AND IT IS UNSAFE TO DRIVE. 13V092 IS THE RECALL BULLITEN I BELIEVE APPLIES TO MY VEHICLE, BUT WHEN I SEARCH MY VIN, IT SHOWS NO UNREPAIRED RECALLS. I HAVE VERIFIED THAT THE VSA SUBHARNESS HAS NOT BEEN INSTALLED PRIOR TO MY PURCHASE OF THE VEHICLE. MY MANUFACTURE DATE FALLS BETWEEN THE TIMELINE OF THIS RECALL AND ALSO MY VIN BEGINS WITH 2HK, WHICH IS SPECIFIED IN CAMPAIGN 13-026 AS REQUIRING VSA SUB HARNESS INSTALLED. I HAVE TAKEN IT TO MY LOCAL HONDA DEALER AND THEY HAVE TOLD ME THAT IT DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR THE RECALL BECAUSE IT IS "VIN SPECIFIC".

  9. Steering, Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Sep 12, 2019

    2005 HONDA PILOT WITH 145K MILES SUDDENLY STARTED TO APPLY BRAKES WITHOUT WARNING WHILE DRIVING ON STRAIGHT, FLAT, DRY ROADS AT MODERATE SPEEDS. IF HAS ALSO OCCURRED AT HIGHWAY SPEED, BUT NEVER ASSOCIATED WITH SKIDDING, SLIDING, ETC. THE BRAKES APPEAR TO APPLY DIFFERENTIALLY, CAUSING A SWERVE THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED QUICKLY TO AVOID COLLISION WITH TRAFFIC. THE VSA LIGHT COMES ON, AND THE TRIANGULAR VSA DISCONNECT LIGHT COMES ON. THEY BOTH GO OUT AFTER THE CAR IS SHUT OFF AND RESTARTED. THE LOCAL HONDA DEALER SAYS THERE IS NO RECALL FOR THIS, BUT THAT THEY HAD REPROGRAMMED THE CAR'S VSA DURING AN EARLIER SERVICE VISIT.

  10. Service brakes, Sep 5, 2019

    WHEN DRIVING DOWN THE SLOPE ON THE CURB MY CAR APPLY THE BREAKS WITHOUT ANY INPUT.

  11. Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Engine, Jul 2, 2019, crash

    UNFORTUNATELY, OUR EACH VEHICLE HAS BEEN TARGETED AND CAUSED CAR ACCIDENT FROM 2010 TO PRESENT DAY. IN 2012, OUR MAZDA MPV 2006 ENGINE WAS DESTROYED OR REPLACED AT THE WORK PLACE DURING WORKING AT HILTON HOTEL. OUR ACURA MDX 2002 VIN # [XXX] AND CURRENT HONDA PILOT 2005 VIN # [XXX] WERE UNDER CONTROLLED AND INVOLVED CAR ACCIDENT IN 2017 AND 2018 BECAUSE OF TARGETING. I HAVE NOTICED AND REPORTED TO LOCAL POLICE AND INSURANCE BEHALF OF THIS CASES WHICH CAN STOP SUDDENLY OR SLOWLY. ITS DEPEND ON HOW THEY CONTROLLED AND PRE-ARRANGED ACCIDENT TO BE HAPPENED ON A POINTING TIME. SURELY, MANY LIFE AND VEHICLES ARE VERY DANGEROUS. WE DESPERATELY NEED SAFETY CARS AND PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO AVOID CRUSHING CARS AND PEOPLE FROM NOW AND FUTURE. PLEASE HELP. INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *TR

  12. Air bags, Vehicle speed control, Service brakes, Sep 7, 2018, crash

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA PILOT. WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 20 MPH, THE VEHICLE ACCELERATED UNCONTROLLABLY AND CRASHED INTO A STATIONARY POLICE CRUISER. THERE WERE NO WARNING INDICATORS ILLUMINATED. THE AIR BAGS DID NOT DEPLOY. A POLICE REPORT WAS FILED. THE DRIVER AND THE FRONT PASSENGER SUSTAINED INJURIES THAT DID NOT REQUIRE MEDICAL ATTENTION. THE CONTACT'S VEHICLE WAS DAMAGED AND WAS TOWED TO A TOW YARD. THE DEALER AND MANUFACTURER WERE NOT MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. TWO WEEKS EARLIER, WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 10 MPH, THE BRAKES SEIZED MOMENTARILY AND RELEASED WHEN THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL WAS DEPRESSED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 190,000.

  13. Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Sep 4, 2018

    MY CAR WAS NOT PART OF THE HONDA PILOT VSA RECALL (HTTPS://WWW.EDMUNDS.COM/CAR-NEWS/HONDA-RECALLS-182000-VEHICLES-FOR-FAULTY-VEHICLE-STABILITY-ASSIST-SYSTEM.HTML) BUT IT IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID WAS A PROBLEM IN 182000 OTHER VEHICLES. THE VSA WARNING LIGHT COMES ON + STAYS ON WHEN THE ENGINE IS RUNNING. PLEASE HELP. I DID NOT RECIEVE NOTICE THAT MY VEHICLE WAS RECALLED AND IT DOES NOT SHOW . ON YOUR WEB SITE EITHER

  14. Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Aug 28, 2018

    CAR WILL APPLY BRAKE TO ITSELF CAUSIN A SWERVE OR A JERK AND THE VSA LIGHT WILL COME ON AND AS SSON AS U TURN OFF THE IGNITION THE LIGHT WILL TURN OFF. AND WILL HAPPEN AGAIN WHEN IT WANTS TOO. ANY CAR APPKY BRAKE BY ITSELF IS UNSAFE AND WILL CAUSE A ACCIDENT ESPECIALLY WHEN DRIVER HAVE NO CONTROL OF IT... THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY AND RECALLED AND FIXED. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY HONDA PILOT DOING THIS. THERE WERE QUITE A FEW

  15. Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Dec 12, 2017

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA PILOT. THE CONTACT RECEIVED A RECALL REPAIR REMEDY FROM MCGRATH CITY HONDA (6720 W GRAND AVE, CHICAGO, IL 60707, 773-889-3030) TO ADDRESS THE VSA, BUT THE REMEDY FAILED TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION. THE CONTACT LATER EXPERIENCED ABNORMAL INVOLUNTARY BRAKING WITH THE STEERING PULLING TO THE RIGHT FOR A BRIEF MOMENT AND THEN THE VSA WARNING INDICATOR ILLUMINATED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN BACK TO THE DEALER WHO STATED THAT THE CODE WAS FOR THE YAW RATE SENSOR AND THAT IT WAS NOT RELATED TO THE RECALL. THE DEALER STATED THAT FURTHER DIAGNOSTIC TESTING WAS NEEDED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 13V092000 (SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC, TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM), AND NHTSA ACTION NUMBERS: DP12002 (ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL), PE12028 (SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC), AND EA13002 (ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL). THE MANUFACTURER STATED THAT THEY WERE AWARE OF A FAILURE WITH THE YAW RATRE SENSORS, BUT HAD NOT PROVIDED A RECALL REMEDY. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 225,000. *TT

  16. Air bags, Vehicle speed control, Service brakes, Dec 2, 2017, crash

    HACE UN TIEMPO TUVE UN ACCIDENTE Y MIENTRAS CONDUCIA SOLO EN MI HONDA PILOT Y LO BOLSA DE AIRE DEL LADO DEL PASAJERO EXPLOTO AUN CUANDO NO HABIA NADIE EN EL ASIENTO DEL PASAJERO Y LA BOLSA DE AIRE DEL LADO MIO, DEL CONDUCTOR SIENDO LA MAS IMPORTANTE NO ABRI PONIENDO MI VIDA EN RIESGO.

  17. Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Nov 30, 2017

    DRIVING MY HONDA PILOT TRUCK EASTBOUND ON THE LEFT LANE AT ABOUT 40 MILES AN HOUR, HAD THE FOOT ON THE GAS PEDAL, THE BRAKE MADE A GROANING NOISE AND THE TRUCK STARTED TO SLOW DOWN RAPIDLY. TO A FULL STOP. THE BRAKES WENT ON AND WAS SO SCARED, BECAUSE I LOOKED UP ON MY REAR VIEW MIRROR AND THERE WAS A SUV DRIVING BEHIND ME. HE DID SEE ME , AND HE HAD TO SWERVE INTO THE OPPOSITE LANE. MY HEART SANK. HE GOT OUT OF HIS SUV AND HE STARTED TO YELL AT ME. I TOLD HIM THE TRUCK CAME TO A STOP IT MALFUNCTIONED AND THEY WERE LIGHTS ON MY DASHBOARD . AS HE WALKED AWAY BACK INTO HIS SUV AND DROVE OFF I SAT THERE. I PUT THE CAR IN PARK LOOKED AT MY MANUAL AND SHUT OFF THE VEHICLE AND TURNED IT BACK ON AND THE INDICATORS ON MY DASHBOARD WE'RE GONE. I CALLED UP MY HUSBAND TO LET HIM KNOW. BEFORE I SHUT THE CAR OFF,, TWO INDICATORS CAME ON VSA AND A WARNING SIGN. I KNOW THERE WAS A RECALL IT IN 2013 I DID GET THAT FIXED AS I TOOK IT TO A HONDA DEALERSHIP. ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO IT HAPPENED AGAIN I WAS ON THE BELT PARKWAY IN NEW YORK AND THE PILOT MADE A NOISE AND IT STOPPED ON ITS OWN THERE WERE MORE THAN TWO LIGHTS FLASHING ON MY DASHBOARD THAT DAY. AND I WAS DRIVING SLOWER ON THE PARKWAY BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC. SO, THE IMPACT WASN'T SO SCARY . TWO LIVES WERE SAVED THAT DAY. I CALLED HONDA RECALL CASE #[XXX]. SINCE MY HUSBAND HAD TO BRING HIS CAR IN TO GET FIXED I ALSO TOOK MY HONDA. THE COMPANY'S NAME IS HARDMANS AUTO ,THEY ALSO ORDER PARTS FROM THE HONDA DEALERSHIP ALSO LOCATED IN THE SAME TOWN. DID COOL HONDA AUTO SERVICE BUT THE MANAGER NAMED [XXX] HASN'T CALLED ME BACK YET. WILL CALL AGAIN TODAY TO GET MY PILOT CHECKED. INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *TR

  18. Service brakes, Sep 23, 2017

    MY 2005 HONDA PILOTS BRAKES ARE ON.I STARTED THE VEHICLE AND SHIFTED INTO REVERSE, THE BRAKES ARE FULLY ENGAGED.I SHIFTED INTO DRIVE, SAME THING. THE EMERGENCY BRAKE IS NOT ENGAGED. I CANNOT DRIVE THE VEHICLE.

  19. Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Apr 12, 2017

    VEHICLE STABILITY ASSIST RECALL COMPLETED IN 2013 HAS FAILED TO ADDRESS VSA ISSUES. VEHICLE WILL RANDOMLY APPLY BRAKES WHILE DRIVING IN NORMAL CONDITIONS, POSSIBLY PRESENTING A HAZARD TO DRIVER, PASSENGERS, AND OTHER VEHICLES ON THE ROAD. WHEN THE BRAKES ARE APPLIED, THE VSA LIGHT ILLUMINATES AND MUST BE RESET. THERE ARE MULTIPLE DOCUMENTED OCCURRENCES OF THIS ONLINE WITH MULTIPLE OWNER/OPERATORS, AND THE FACT THAT THE PREVIOUS RECALL HAS NOT BEEN EFFECTIVELY MUST BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.

  20. Service brakes, Engine, Feb 16, 2017

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA PILOT. WHILE DRIVING AT AN UNKNOWN SPEED, THE BRAKES INADVERTENTLY ENGAGED AND THE CHECK ENGINE WARNING INDICATOR ILLUMINATED. THE DEALER DIAGNOSED THAT THE ABS NEEDED TO BE TESTED AND THE KNOCK SENSOR AND SUB HARNESS NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE CONTACT MENTIONED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS PREVIOUSLY SERVICED PER NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 13V092000 (SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC, TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM). THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 137,000. UPDATED 05/10/17*LJ

  21. Other or unspecified, Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Dec 17, 2016

    ON COLD TEMPERATURES, AND WHILE THE CAR IS MOVING ON THE HIGHWAY, THE BRAKES WILL SUDDENLY APPLY ALL BY ITSELF AND THE VSA OFF AND A TRIANGLE (WITH EXCLAMATION) LIGHT COMES ON THE DASHBOARD. THIS CAUSES THE VEHICLE TO STRONGLY JERK AND SWERVE FOR A SECOND. TURNING OFF THE VSA BEFORE DRIVING, THE SUDDEN BRAKE WILL NOT HAPPEN. I CHECKED RECALLS FOR MY VIN BUT THERE ARE NO OPEN RECALLS. PLEASE INVESTIGATE.

  22. Electronic stability control (ESC), Service brakes, Sep 9, 2016

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA PILOT. WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 50 MPH, THE VEHICLE SLIGHTY SWAYED FROM THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT WITH A SHUTTERING SENSATION. THE VSA SYSTEM WARNING INDICATOR ILLUMINATED. THE CONTACT TURNED OFF THE VEHICLE TO DISENGAGE THE WARNING INDICATOR; HOWEVER, THE FAILURE RECURRED. THE CONTACT FOUND IN THE OWNER'S MANUAL THAT THE VSA WARNING WAS AN INDICATION THAT THE BRAKES AND STABILITY CONTROLS WERE EXPERIENCING A MALFUNCTION. THE CONTACT TOOK THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER AND SEVERAL FAILURE CODES APPEARED; HOWEVER, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO COMPLETELY INDICATE WHAT THE NATURE OF THE REPAIRS. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE AND OPENED A CASE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 150,000.

  23. Service brakes, May 2, 2016

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA PILOT. WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 40 MPH, THE BRAKE PEDAL WAS DEPRESSED BUT THE BRAKES FAILED AND THE PASSENGER SIDE CALIBER WAS SMOKING. THE CONTACT HAD TO RESTART THE VEHICLE TO RELEASE THE BRAKES. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN INDEPENDENT MECHANIC WHERE IT WAS DIAGNOSED THAT THE BRAKE PADS, CALIBERS, MASTER CYLINDER, AND EMERGENCY BRAKES NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED; HOWEVER, THE FAILURE PERSISTED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS UNKNOWN.

  24. Service brakes, Mar 3, 2016

    TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, MY 2005 PILOT MODEL EXL HAS 90,000 MILES. RECENTLY THE VSA LIGHT STARTED TO COME ON RANDOMLY WHILE I WAS DRIVING THE CAR. WHENEVER THAT HAPPENED THERE WOULD ALSO BE A LOUD 'CHUNK' NOISE THAT ACCOMPANIED IT AND FOR A FRACTION OF A SECOND THE BRAKES AND STEERING WHEEL WOULD LOCK UP. HOWEVER TODAY WHEN IT HAPPENED, I COULD NOT TURN OFF THE VSA FUNCTION AND THE WORST PART WAS THAT THE MALFUNCTION OF THE VSA HAD LOCKED THE BRAKES ONCE WHILE I WAS DRIVING ON THE ROAD. DUE TO THE MALFUNCTION I LOST CONTROL OF THE CAR FOR A FEW SECONDS AND ALTHOUGH THIS ONLY OCCURRED ONE TIME, IT WAS AN EXTREMELY FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE.

  25. Vehicle speed control, Service brakes, Oct 8, 2015

    TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA PILOT. WHILE DRIVING AT 10 MPH, THE SPEEDOMETER DROPPED DOWN TO ZERO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VSA WARNING LIGHT ILLUMINATED AND THE BRAKES ACTIVATED INDEPENDENTLY. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 140,000.